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Birmingham possibly facing 12 point deduction for breaching FFP restrictions

https://talksport.com/football/efl/420090/birmingham-city-12-point-penalty-efl-financial-fair-play-regulations/

Be interesting to see if they go through with it - could have a big impact if they do.

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Re: Birmingham possibly facing 12 point deduction for breaching FFP restrictions

Doubt it'll be the full 12 points but they aren't a london team so they'll probably get something.

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Tend to agree Keiran, but even a smaller deduction with the rest "on suspension" would have a big impact. Stone said at the Fans Forum that there were quite a lot of clubs pushing for this.

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Re: Birmingham possibly facing 12 point deduction for breaching FFP restrictions

They have to really all these clubs they fail FFS need points deducted as fines are small compared to failing to go up or going down a league
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I’m not a fan of the points deduction thing. In my opinion all that does is penalise the fans ultimately. The owners should be the ones fined - personally I reckon
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Re: Birmingham possibly facing 12 point deduction for breaching FFP restrictions

If the punishment ultimately penalises the fans then breaking the rules ultimately benefits them.

If nothing is done to these clubs then the fans that are really penalised are those of the clubs who don't break the rules.

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Re: Birmingham possibly facing 12 point deduction for breaching FFP restrictions

Always remember Swindon town were prevented from top flight football because of illegal payments made to players. No consideration to the fans.  
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Re: Birmingham possibly facing 12 point deduction for breaching FFP restrictions

Yes but Swindon admitted 36 charges of breaching league rules. The real losers that year were the Newcastle fans.
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i Agree Nutty if we finished behind a team that broke the FFS they went up to PL and we stayed down
Norwich as a club and fans would be the ones who are the ones who lose out
Fines to PL clubs and some championship teams are small change points can mean Europe or Dropping down leagues


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Re: Birmingham possibly facing 12 point deduction for breaching FFP restrictions

Unfortunately they don't seem to be facing the points deduction for breaching FFP, but rather from breaching the transfer embargo. It still doesn't give the teeth this rule needs...
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I don’t agree Coneys Knee. Ultimately you’ve got to hit the club where it hurts and if that means the fans suffering so they don’t tolerate it again from the owners then so be it. The fines to Bournemouth and I suspect in the future Brighton will have no impact on them whatsoever now they are in the prem as it’s a drop in the ocean compared to the monies they have earnt. Its not a significant deterrent, the gamble is worth it for those owners. It’s only an issue for QPR because the sun is bigger and it’s several years down the line after they’ve been relegated.
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Re: Birmingham possibly facing 12 point deduction for breaching FFP restrictions

 Jim Smith wrote:
I don’t agree Coneys Knee. Ultimately you’ve got to hit the club where it hurts and if that means the fans suffering so they don’t tolerate it again from the owners then so be it. The fines to Bournemouth and I suspect in the future Brighton will have no impact on them whatsoever now they are in the prem as it’s a drop in the ocean compared to the monies they have earnt. Its not a significant deterrent, the gamble is worth it for those owners. It’s only an issue for QPR because the sun is bigger and it’s several years down the line after they’ve been relegated.

I agree. Penalties have to damage a club on the field, including scuppering a promotion or precipitating a relegation. That is tough on the innocent supporters but, as nutty said, fans of other clubs are being cheated out of promotions or suffering relegations by the clubs that break the rules

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Re: Birmingham possibly facing 12 point deduction for breaching FFP restrictions

This is exactly what’s needed, real penalty for breaking the rules.
I also think it should be cast in stone, if you break the FFP by set amounts you get set points deducted, thus it’s set for all clubs and not penalising certain clubs as they don’t have the high profile of other clubs.
Still think by having a 13 million pound yearly buffer still allows richer owners an unfair advantage. Would like to see that reduced to 5 million per season.
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Re: Birmingham possibly facing 12 point deduction for breaching FFP restrictions

 cornish sam wrote:
Unfortunately they don't seem to be facing the points deduction for breaching FFP, but rather from breaching the transfer embargo. It still doesn't give the teeth this rule needs...


It does really. The transfer embargo was given as a result of breaching the FFP rules.

I can see your point though - it is "indirect" rather than a points deduction for simply breaking the FFP rules initially, but there are signs that things are being more pro-actively monitored now, which give it more teeth.


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Re: Birmingham possibly facing 12 point deduction for breaching FFP restrictions

Lets face it. Quite a lot of clubs, and their supporters especially, will be hoping Birmingham, likely to struggle anyway, will get a 12 point penalty.
That only leaves two spaces to fill.
I am ignorant of financial consequences but does anyone know whether it would suit Birmingham, if likely to go down with a big penalty, to go into administration, if they are in a lot of debt anyway?
Are there more serious consequences of administration?
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