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Re: Don't believe the negative hype!

There is little healthy about Norwich City LDC.

A 'Coach' that is completely out of his depth - AKA Another Cheap Option - coupled with a publicity hound majority shareholder who uses the club for her own ends and serves no positive purpose.


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Re: Don't believe the negative hype!

Bring back Bryan Hamilton . Never given enough time to succeed.
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Re: Don't believe the negative hype!

Lambert took us from bottom of League One to 12th in the Premier League in 3 seasons.

Eddie Howe took Bournemouth from bottom of League Two to the League One Playoffs in 3 seasons.

Arsene Wenger won a double in his second season at Arsenal.

Pochettino has finished top 4 in 3 of his first 4 seasons.

Mourinho won the league, UEFA Cup and Champions League in his first 3 seasons as Porto manager.

This idea that a manager needs three seasons is based on nothing.
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Re: Don't believe the negative hype!

Well said LDC, the people who said they'd give the manager ten games have decided they can't wait that long.
Supporting isn't limited to at the. ground, it is also for forums like this, getting behind the team and creating a positive atmosphere at the club.
They have no solutions, they are waiting for the handsome prince to turn up on a white horse, wanting to give us all his money
In the meantime it's more boo-hoo than boo.
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Re: Don't believe the negative hype!

Fans need to see positive intent from the club too to create that atmosphere.

Currently the club seems to say 'yeah the prices are high and the club is going backwards but the football is also boring. Oh and don't get too attached to any of the players, we'll have to sell them if they have a good season so the owners Nephew can take over.'

And we wonder why fans aren't clapping like seals.
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Re: Don't believe the negative hype!

 Hoola Han Solo wrote:
If all you have to do is wait and be patient for a manager to improve things, should we have not sacked Roeder and Gunn then?

Roeder spoiled his copy book with the way he treated players. As for Gunn, yes, I would have given him longer - the way that footballing set up was made, with Crook and Deehan as experience behind the legend that is Gunny, could have worked given time.  Lambert spoiled that particular party that historic day - and history took a different course for a while, but the prediliction for setting up a long term scenario is what has been attempted time after time - and imo it is the correct policy for a club like ours.  It's only a pity Lambert didn't want to - or couldn't - stay on to develop things further. 



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There's plenty of solutions. Farke being sacked immediately, majority shareholders selling to someone who actually wants to invest in the club rater than the abysmal status quo we currently have that only benefits them.

Farke has had plenty of time and he still isn't fit for purpose.
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"As for Gunn, yes, I would have given him longer - the way that footballing set up was made, with Crook and Deehan as experience behind the legend that is Gunny, could have worked given time."

FFS
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'Giving Gunn Longer'. Oh my word. I would have rather had Basil Brush in charge.

Lambert's relationship with McNally was untenable and was always looking for a way out. Not that Hughton has a good relationship with him either, but that's another story.
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If the players are in your opinion , good enough ...which is debatable but we aren't getting the results , then it must be the coach which is at fault??
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Re: Don't believe the negative hype!

 komakino wrote:
There's plenty of solutions. Farke being sacked immediately, majority shareholders selling to someone who actually wants to invest in the club rater than the abysmal status quo we currently have that only benefits them. Farke has had plenty of time and he still isn't fit for purpose.

That is no solution, it is just a wish list.  

Anyway, what abysmal status quo?  We have a virtually new team compared to a year ago, so things have not stood still, the club has developed a whole new approach, based on footballing people making the important decisions.  And how does your "status quo" somehow benefit the majorty shareholders?  Are you fooled by those who say they are taking money out of the club?  Are you somehow unable to accept that it is perfectly natural to pass on their assets to family members and who have brought them onboard to get the necessary experience?



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<BLOCKQUOTE><table width="85%"><tr><td class="txt4"><img src="/forums/pinkun-forums/cs/Themes/default/images/icon-quote.gif">&nbsp;<strong>lake district canary wrote:</strong></td></tr><tr><td class="quoteTable"><table width="100%"><tr><td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4"><div>We have a good team in the making. Still learning, still getting to know how to get the best out of themselves, still developing.  <br></div><div><br></div><div>Don't believe the nonsense spoken about players not being good enough either or not as good as last year or the year before, because apart from Maddison who was always going to be sold, we have some very good players.   Name me one poor performer from Sunday - Krul? No. Klose? Hanley? No. Lewis, Aarons? No.  Leitner? No - a mixed bag but some quality through balls and a goal.  Tettey? No. Pukki? Looked good in spells but wasn't poor overall. Hernandez?  Always capable of causing trouble and his play set up the goal. Rhodes - always works hard even when things aren't going for him.  Buendia showed his inexperience, but anyone can see he has potential.  <br></div><div><br></div><div>So overall, the season moves on, a difficult start with a whole new front to the team and getting the youngsters involved. The whole club from top to bottom is healthy financially, healthy on the football coaching side, healthy with good players - and with a plan and the determination to see it succeed. <br></div><div><br></div><div> So don't believe the negative hype. It is just that - negative and hype. <br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>
I’ll prefer to make my mind up after using my own eyes thanks, you need to take the yellow tinted specs off once in a while.
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Re: Don't believe the negative hype!

 GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary wrote:
If the players are in your opinion , good enough ...which is debatable but we aren't getting the results , then it must be the coach which is at fault??

The coach is building something. You have to accept that building something doesn't mean it will be there staright away. Some of the players have only been at the club a few weeks!!!



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"Anyway, what abysmal status quo? We have a virtually new team compared to a year ago, so things have not stood still, the club has developed a whole new approach, based on footballing people making the important decisions"

Things off the pitch have improved to a degree and the squad is better. The manager is completely failing with the tools at his disposal and therefore should be replaced at the earliest opportunity.


"And how does your "status quo" somehow benefit the majorty shareholders?"

It benefits Delia Smith because NCFC is a vehicle for her own ends to keep her in the public eye. The club is not benefiting form her selfish behaviour.

"Are you fooled by those who say they are taking money out of the club?"

No. But if she does not wish to invest, then she should sell to somebody that does. Again, the club is not benefiting from her presence.

"Are you somehow unable to accept that it is perfectly natural to pass on their assets to family members and who have brought them onboard to get the necessary experience?"

Norwich City is a Football Club. Not a Grandfather Clock.
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LDC - you are making it very easy for people to take the pee out of you - in fact, you may well be a troll out for a laugh. But don't tell real fans how they have to behave or accuse them of not being real fans because they can see the club they love rotting away in front of their eyes. Rather than being promotion contenders (which we would be if we were run and managed properly) we were under the cosh by the worst Ipswich team in history, who are bottom of the league, with a manager out of his depth and a 94 year old striker. Zero ambition is not something I will ever accept as a fan. We have Fake, Fake Klopp in charge, looking helpless on the touchline, Webber who got a bit lucky at Huddersfield under the impression that he can buy a load of average (if that) Germans and the same thing will happen at Norwich and owners who don't care what the fans want, are happy to turn up, smoke fags and drink wine, entertain their luvvie friends, take a nice bit of money out of club (whilst cashing in on the Norwich connection on adverts) and pass it on the civil-servant young Tom who has no clue and no money.
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