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Re: Sounds Familiar.

Burnley Accounts look very good and a well run club
Have they got a director of football ???
Proves if you have the right chairman and Manager it is possible to go up to PL and stay there
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Re: Sounds Familiar.

Westie,

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‘It’s a bit early to say’ he said.

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Re: Sounds Familiar.

 norfolkngood wrote:
Burnley Accounts look very good and a well run club Have they got a director of football ??? Proves if you have the right chairman and Manager it is possible to go up to PL and stay there


These are the consecutive seasons the current incumbents have been  in the top flight.

 

 

Arsenal 93

Everton 65

Liverpool 57

Man Utd 44

Tottenham 41

Chelsea 30

Man City 17

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Southampton 7

West Ham 7

Palace 7

Leicester 5

Bournemouth 4

Watford 4

Burnley 3

Newcastle 2

Brighton 2

Huddersfield 2

Wolves 1

Cardiff 1

Fulham 1



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Re: Sounds Familiar.

"Proves if you have the right chairman and Manager it is possible to go up to PL and stay there "

A self-fulfilling prophecy if ever I saw one. If they subsequently go down, do the chair and manager become wrong suddenly? All it 'proves' is that it's happened once.

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Re: Sounds Familiar.

 king canary wrote:
"The American businessmen have also revealed they are considering putting equity into the club - by buying more shares, possibly from the Supporters' Trust - in order to help absorb losses related to relegation." Sounds less familiar.
That's an interesting one. Most trusts are looking to increase their shareholdings to give them a bigger say in how their clubs are run, so this would be a reversal of that policy if it materialised. One assumes if it went ahead they would have a guarantee of maintaing a trust director on the board. However, as they seem to have been overlooked with every major decision re takeovers, manager changes etc, even with a 21% shareholding, lessening their shareholding would surely lessen their influence even more.

(I'm assuming any monies received for their shares would be handed over to the club otherwise the only beneficiaries of such a transaction would be the Trust itself).

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Re: Sounds Familiar.

 SwindonCanary wrote:
I like to think we would have been the same a Burnley if we had stayed in the Premiership. Instead, we are a Championship team doing the same without the TV rights £105m !      
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You've got that difference between us and Burnley the wrong way round Swindon; in contrast to Burnley, we did stay up in our first season back in the EPL. And we stayed up the following season too. 

How Burnley have done it almost exactly mirrors the course envisaged for us in McNally's original seven year plan: a period of club and team rebuilding in the Championship, promotion, first season relegation, and then an immediate return to, and subsequent establishment in, the EPL. So what happened? The people were mesmerised by a false Messiah; he was believed to hold the key to eternal salvation but delivered only a cruel foretaste of Heaven. 

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Re: Sounds Familiar.

Burnley are one bad season from being in the same division as us and if a club fails to get back up at the first attempt the financial pressure starts to mount as 50% of turnover being wages will be suddenly turned on its head. All clubs ours, Burnley's, Swansea's size are two to three seasons away from having to make huge changes to adapt to the disparities between the leagues financially. I hated all the consolidating in the premier league talk that used to be thrown about, there is no such thing.
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The only way a Swansea City or Norwich City are going to stay in the EPL with any degree of permanency is if they get someone with a 10-year plan that has £3bn earmarked for transfer fees and wages. For that is how the boy Mansoor has done it at Man City.

Verdict: sheikh with big money and long-term commitment required.
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Re: Sounds Familiar.

 norfolkngood wrote:
Burnley Accounts look very good and a well run club Have they got a director of football ??? Proves if you have the right chairman and Manager it is possible to go up to PL and stay there

But that is precisely the point.They didn't stay in the Pl. They got relegated straight back down. This was their plan. Not to try to stay up, and so not to over-extend themselves in terms of wages and transfer fees, but to build slowly.

And it worked to the extent that they then got promoted back (and again did not overspend), and now have stayed up for two seasons, although some pundits are already suggesting they may be in trouble this time. It is far too early to stay they are staying in the PL.

But the major point is that they made a conscious decision, as I suspect Cardiff have done, not to try to stay up initially. How many Norwich City fans would have ben happy if we had adopted that plan?

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Re: Sounds Familiar.

 PurpleCanary wrote:
.......... But the major point is that they made a conscious decision, as I suspect Cardiff have done, not to try to stay up initially. How many Norwich City fans would have ben happy if we had adopted that plan?
Well, that was exactly the original McNally plan and the vast majority appeared ready to endorse it when it was published. And then came "the Messiah". Ironically, if we had been relegated after one season, the plan would have remained intact and we very probably wouldn't be in our present predicament. 
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