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Re: OT. Brexit.

 Herman wrote:
"Most British Conservative MEPs supported the Hungarian government, arguing that the EU had intruded into purely national matters. They strongly deny it was to secure Hungary's support in the Brexit process or out of admiration for the country's leader."


No depth too low for Brexit. Scumbags.
It should be the duty of the UK to encourage all the EU states to exit the EU, so that we can start again with a Europe of independent, sovereign nations engaged in free trade with one another and without a political dimension. What is your objection to that?

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Re: Where is the "plan"?

 Rock The Boat wrote:

Even you can see the difference between the voters of Hungary democratically electing a Prime Minister to keep out illegal immigrants and the undemocratic EU daring to punish a nation for acing democratically.

If that's a little difficult for you then remind us how many knife attacks and sexual assults have been carried out by illegal immigrants in the EU since the start of ths year? In Hungary the answer is 'zero'.

undemocratic ?

I know you brexiteers don't like Parliamentary democracy but it was a free vote taken by elected MEP's'

How many of those immigrants in the rest of the EU are 'illegal' ?

Or are both replies 'a little difficult for you' ?


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Re: OT. Brexit.

 Ben wrote:



Odd that brexiteers should wish to side with such an undemocratic bully..... or not.

You still haven't told us what % of the european electorate voted for Junker. If that's too difficult give us the number to the nearest million votes - if you can.

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Re: Where is the "plan"?

 Rock The Boat wrote:
Even you can see the difference between the voters of Hungary democratically electing a Prime Minister to keep out illegal immigrants and the undemocratic EU daring to punish a nation for acing democratically.
None of this has anything to do with democracy either within Hungary or the EU.

The Hungarians have made a set of agreements which they are not honouring, in fact they are blatently disregarding them - the EU is very slowly and pretty gently reminding them that binding agreements have to be honoured or there will ultimately be consequences.

If Orban doesn't like it, then let him do a Hungarian Brexit (whatever that is Hunexit??) but of course he's also a total hypocrite who happily decries the EU at every opportunity whilst simultaneously taking all the benefits (both cash and non-cash) that the EU provides.



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Re: OT. Brexit.

Caught lying yet again so it's the old distraction ploy

so perhaps you could tell us all how many votes Junker had in today's vote

and why you see a free vote made by elected MEPs as something to object to




ps you never asked that question of me, which may just be why I have not answered


pps what have you done with hamd crank ?

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Re: OT. Brexit.

Well, it made me giggle😀
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Re: Where is the "plan"?

 Ben wrote:
 Rock The Boat wrote:

Even you can see the difference between the voters of Hungary democratically electing a Prime Minister to keep out illegal immigrants and the undemocratic EU daring to punish a nation for acing democratically.

If that's a little difficult for you then remind us how many knife attacks and sexual assults have been carried out by illegal immigrants in the EU since the start of ths year? In Hungary the answer is 'zero'.

undemocratic ?

I know you brexiteers don't like Parliamentary democracy but it was a free vote taken by elected MEP's'

How many of those immigrants in the rest of the EU are 'illegal' ?

Or are both replies 'a little difficult for you' ?

So what you're saying it is democratic for the EU to bring sanctions against a country where the government was voted by the will of the people to implement a legal, national policy which they are entirely entitled so to do. Normal people would consider the EU response to be the action of a hostile, authoritarian state. And day-by-day we see the EU behaving like the old National Socialist party of Germany.

Now why don't you tell us how many knife attacks and sexual assaults committed by illegal immigrants have there been in the EU since the beginning of the year. You can start your counting with Hungary where the total is 'zero'. Over to you.

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Re: Where is the "plan"?

 Creative Midfielder wrote:
 Rock The Boat wrote:
Even you can see the difference between the voters of Hungary democratically electing a Prime Minister to keep out illegal immigrants and the undemocratic EU daring to punish a nation for acing democratically.
None of this has anything to do with democracy either within Hungary or the EU.

The Hungarians have made a set of agreements which they are not honouring, in fact they are blatently disregarding them - the EU is very slowly and pretty gently reminding them that binding agreements have to be honoured or there will ultimately be consequences.

If Orban doesn't like it, then let him do a Hungarian Brexit (whatever that is Hunexit??) but of course he's also a total hypocrite who happily decries the EU at every opportunity whilst simultaneously taking all the benefits (both cash and non-cash) that the EU provides.



This,RTB.

Or to put it simply for you to understand, if you join a club you have to abide by the rules that you signed up to.

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Re: OT. Brexit.

 Ben wrote:
Caught lying yet again so it's the old distraction ploy

so perhaps you could tell us all how many votes Junker had in today's vote

and why you see a free vote made by elected MEPs as something to object to




ps you never asked that question of me, which may just be why I have not answered


pps what have you done with hamd crank ?
So we can agree then that Junker has received no votes at all from the European electorate, and he wishes to withdraw voting rights from Hungary, yet you call Orban (>50% national vote) both undemocratic and a bully.

Perhaps you need to revisit your thoughts.

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Re: Where is the "plan"?

 Herman wrote:
 Creative Midfielder wrote:
 Rock The Boat wrote:
Even you can see the difference between the voters of Hungary democratically electing a Prime Minister to keep out illegal immigrants and the undemocratic EU daring to punish a nation for acing democratically.
None of this has anything to do with democracy either within Hungary or the EU.

The Hungarians have made a set of agreements which they are not honouring, in fact they are blatently disregarding them - the EU is very slowly and pretty gently reminding them that binding agreements have to be honoured or there will ultimately be consequences.

If Orban doesn't like it, then let him do a Hungarian Brexit (whatever that is Hunexit??) but of course he's also a total hypocrite who happily decries the EU at every opportunity whilst simultaneously taking all the benefits (both cash and non-cash) that the EU provides.



This,RTB.

Or to put it simply for you to understand, if you join a club you have to abide by the rules that you signed up to.
Except that their is no treaty signed between the nations of the EU that says those nations must accept illegal migrants into their countries. Now almost two million migrants have flooded into the EU since Merkal signalled that anyone could come and since then, under pressure from Germany, the EU has tried to get member states to each accept a proportion of them. The EU wants the UK to take far more than we have already and we are resisting the EU's challenges. In Hungary's case the Hungarian  government has an electoral mandate to not accept any migrants.

So whose policy trumps whom? The EU or the sovereign government? The answer is clear - and should be noted by all those who claim that we are a sovereign nation and can make our own laws. The EU considers its rules, directives and laws to be superior to those of the nation state, and if you don't agree then the EU will punish you until such time as you do agree.

A good example of why we need to get out of this bullying, undemocratic organisation as soon as possible. And then do everything we can to wreck it.

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Re: OT. Brexit.

It was the elected MEPs that voted for it. Why are you distracting attention with the Juncker nonsense?

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Re: OT. Brexit.

 Rock The Boat wrote:
So we can agree then that Junker has received no votes at all from the European electorate, and he wishes to withdraw voting rights from Hungary, yet you call Orban (>50% national vote) both undemocratic and a bully.

Perhaps you need to revisit your thoughts.

I think we can all agree that you are a liar.

Today's vote was taken by the EU Parliament

Junker did not vote as he is not an MEP

'yet you call Orban (>50% national vote) both undemocratic and a bully'.

no, that is just you lying again...unless of course you can point to where I sTated that




PS I think you need to lie down and let your 'mates' hand crank of dafty have a go


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Re: OT. Brexit.

 Rock The Boat wrote:

You still haven't told us what % of the european electorate voted for Junker. If that's too difficult give us the number to the nearest million votes - if you can.


How many of the UK electorate voted for Jeremy Heywood (Head of the Home Civil Service) - his closest equivalent.

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Re: Where is the "plan"?

 Rock The Boat wrote:
And then do everything we can to wreck it.

Perhaps you could burn it down

then maybe smash the windows of muslim businesses

............ after all that is the sort of thing your sort do

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Re: OT. Brexit.

Got it wrong again Ben, compartmentalizing all as the same !





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