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Re: Message to Daniel

LDC despite people taking the pee a little, there are some true points in your posts and some admirable faultless fan support from you personally.

But whilst I get frustrated with some of the negative supporters who predominantly live in the online realm but occasionally make themselves heard at games - there are other times where you have to accept it's going to happen and it's down to those responsible i.e Farke to change things around.

The one thing I can't get my head around is what our fans see as most important right now. Results, or performances? For me it's always results. I was personally much more angry at Farke and I guess the players for the tactical failings putting us 3-0 down at Leeds. But there were far more boo's in the Preston match at 0-0 when we passed the ball backwards (actually leading to creating an opening, in this instance). It does make it difficult for those at the top to know what to do. I'd much rather we'd have kept it tight against Leeds rather than go all out and look impressive but ultimately not stand a chance. But would that have been possible? How would the fans have reacted? It's difficult.

And it's this pre-conception from our fans that a back-pass = bad and a long hoof = good, unless it doesn't land on our players foot, then it's also bad. It got to the stage against Preston where in the second half we'd have needed a 100% passing accuracy forwards only to appease.

That essentially stems from the first half of our first season under Farke at home. Because it improved in the second half. But whether the vocal one's at football don't want to understand, don't want to notice change, or are mentally incapable of noticing change, I'm not sure. Regardless, it puts Farke and his style under more pressure than it would be had he taken over at a club like Swansea who's seen the style implemented successfully.


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This is a wind up right?
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“And it's this pre-conception from our fans that a back-pass = bad and a long hoof = good”

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Sorry LDC, but that's NOT the point.

Hughton had nearly 2 years here, in the first year he halved the goal total of Grant Holt (from 15 to 8), completely disregarded Steve Morison (who'd managed 9 prem goals the season before) and forced him into a swap move for Becchio - who he then refused to ever play, sidelined players such as Pilkington and Fox who had done a great job for us the year before, and he finished with 3 points less than Lambert and a worse goal difference, yet finished in a higher league place purely due to the teams around us.

Then THAT season began, the worst season in recent memory for me, which included the misplaying of both RvW and Hooper, the over-reliance on playing EVERYTHING through Snodgrass, the most turgid, dire, apalling dross that claimed to be football ever was his mainstay, yet despite his claims to make us better defensively - we finished with only 4 goals less than conceded than under "gung-ho" mentality of Paul Lambert's. Let's also not forget that he released Chris Martin on a free, despite having loaned in the ineffective Kei Kamara the January before, binned off Ayala for no apparent reason but loaned in Yobo, and Gutierrez was a simply pointless addition.

I don't give 2 flying forks what he's done at Brighton, he was absolutely terrible for us in terms of football (I won't insult the man's professionalism which was always excellent), and should have been gone well before they made the choice finally.

Neil was similarly kept way too long when it was obvious it wasn't working and he'd lost the dressing room, not to mention him wasting a cosmic sh!t ton of money on overpaid rubbish like Naismith, signed Andreu as seemingly a favour to Hamilton, brought in Lafferty who was a disaster throughout and seemingly had no clue what to do when simply shouting at people or giving them the cold shoulder didn't work.

I just don't know how you can sit there and suggest they needed more time - especially Hughton, because at least Neil tried to play attacking football that could be good to watch, whereas the sh@ under Hughton would have put a glass eye to sleep...

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Those who think Hughton should have been given more time are almost always people who didn't actually have to sit through his turgid, soul destroying football on a regular basis.
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After reading this rediculous post I think more supporters than ever will want Farke gone. Condescending nonense.

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Lakey you are Mick Dennis and i claim my £5.

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 Indy_Bones wrote:
I just don't know how you can sit there and suggest they needed more time - especially Hughton, because at least Neil tried to play attacking football that could be good to watch, whereas the sh@ under Hughton would have put a glass eye to sleep...

My point is look at them now. Both doing a good job and greatly respected by their present clubs.  Both producing effective football within the constraints of their clubs' position.  You are looking at them because of what they did at Norwich - but they were - and are - good managers. So why couldn't they have been given longer?  Hughton would have been able to rebuild in the championship and could well have got us back up and all would have been forgiven.  Neil too, if kept on, would have overseen the squad clearout, got some youngsters involved - as he did at Hamilton - and rebalanced what he was doing to get a better response from his players.

Both have moved on and so have we and I have no complaints about that, but we seem to be treading the same path again - fans getting uppity because they are not seeing what they think they should be having.  Are the fans demanding or expecting too much and is the present manager going to be unable to cope with that...again?    Is the Norwich job a poisoned chalice?  Our best chance of long term success was keeping Lambert - we had the dream team - but he blew it for whatever reason. 

So we move on - and on - and on - and still fans can't give a manager time to get his vision going.  Alex Neil commented on how quick the Norwich fans were to get negative towards the team - and he for a while managed to change that, but it soon crept back when we started to struggle. Farke has had one season of total upheaval and change and a second season where he has had to start again almost.  He is still tryng to find the best formula and hopefully he will, but I do fear he will be forced out, either wanting to go back after this season, or not being offered a new contract. 

Given what Farke has been dealt with in terms of rebuilding the club, one year and five games is not long. I would hope he can start to get hold of things this season, do well enough to be offered a new contract and that he will want to stay for that third year when success is far more likely imo.

I fully understand why Hughton and Neil were sacked, but we cannot as a club keep trying a rebuild for a year or two then knocking it on the head before it has evolved.  Farke has had the hardest job of the three - he has faced a total rebuild and for that he deserves to be given plenty of time to establish what he is trying to achieve. 


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A Large delivery of Kleenex tissue has been seen delivered to Daniels house. I do hope it’s because he’s read the original post
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Actually if you read the op out loud with the our tune music playing in the background it really enhances the sentiment in it. Touching, Powerful stuff. I’m now reaching for the Kleenex
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C6ZDsUGiGqM
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Pretty sure that Lafferty was an Adams not a Neil signing indy b


I have as much time for revisiting hughons career as Lambert's as it isn't relevant to the challenges we face now. And nor does the following.What I will point out is that in 23 years, covering c13 manager and 7 caretakers only 2 have left the club and won anything afterwards, the first being Martin O'Neil and then other Hughton.


No other manager has faced two seasons of having lost 50% of their starting xi.

The style of play is not thrilling. But the creative side is better this season, sadly the fquakity of fnishing has not. the defence is worse. Confidence is a huge issue, creating a lack of leadership on pitch, exacerbated by the fans atmosphere.

I think results can and are likely improve but they need to quickly. The club is in danger of sinking lower and the next 5 games are key and now is the time to show they can pick up results. The fans need to support the players as they will stay long after the coach goes, so killing their confidence helps no one.

More energy from the midfield, a desire to want the ball and more than just klose concentrating in defence is key.

An ever changing coach is never a recipe for success. Fingers crossed that isn't need
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How embarrassing!
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Please do a message to Delia too .
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 Midlands Yellow wrote:
Please do a message to Delia too .

I don't think so, I might write one to all those who seem to think we are on downward path and try and cheer them up, as they don't really seem to get that the long term plan is only one season and five games old and the amount of changes that have taken place, even up to a few weeks ago have been enormous and will take more time to come to fruition. 

Seeming to be debt free and self-sustaining with a progressive footballing attitude doesn't wash with them and they want bucket loads of money to spend and they want success and they want it now so all they like to do is knock what is being attempted, which is a mid to long term project, rather than embrace it. 

I love that they want the best for the club, I just think they need to go with the flow rather than knock it - Farke will be given to develop things and any investor that comes forward will come forward regardless of what they want, so why not try and enjoy the ride now, instead of being full of angst about things all the time?? 





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