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Re: Russell Martin leaves after 9 years.

Does anyone really understand why this has happened, because I'll confess I don't really?

He was frozen out completely, players that were on high wages have been offloaded or (we have tried to) but we still used them. Naismith being the obvious exception.

I'm not really sure why Russ was suddenly deemed so surplus to requirements that last year we sent him out and we'd have rather had an on loan midfielder at RB. His wages can't have been that high surely?

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Re: Russell Martin leaves after 9 years.

Monty13,

I have mentioned this elsewhere one way or another, however to summarise, our manager did not like the fact Russ was held in such high esteem by the rest of the players, to the extent they looked to him at half time and full time for motivation, tactical input, etc.

This was obviously not RM’s fault, after all he can hardly be blamed for what others thought of his skills in that department and it is common knowledge that he is EUFA A qualified and is on his way to EUFA Pro. Consequently he was told that he could not be in the match day squad as the manager could not handle that scenario, and as a result was frozen out, which IMO says a great deal about the self image of the manager. Had I been in that situation, I believe I would have seconded him on to the management team, if not in name then in deed, but I'm not.

Whether Russ would have been a regular starter is a separate debate, but IMO he should have been in the match day squad for all he brings, including the fact he could deputise anywhere along the back line therefore freeing up another space (or two) on the bench.

As has been mentioned on here by many, and I wholeheartedly concur , they expect him to forge a managerial career in the not too distant future and it would not surprise me at all if that included a spell here.
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Re: Russell Martin leaves after 9 years.

Ray

Imo Russell Martin represented the old regime - steeped in the way of the club and all its good - and bad - points. The whole point of making the huge changes Webber and Farke have was to shake up the club and keeping RM at the forefront of things was not sensible. You can interpret it how you like in disparaging Farke, but you are imo doing him a dis-service. Spinning it like you have is just one sided and imo innacurate.

I respect RM as much as anyone and wish him well in the future, but to pretend that he was going to have any influence in what has been a total change throughout the whole club is disengeuous. Farke is his own man and the regime is quite tough - so to say he couldn't handle RM is flying in the face of the evidence. His time was up, that's all.
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Re: Russell Martin leaves after 9 years.

His time was up, that's all.

You're right. That is all it means.
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Re: Russell Martin leaves after 9 years.

LDC,

You lecture me on spin!

If I write on here I can assure you it is always based on fact, if you don't like that that is your prerogative, to be honest I don't like the facts, but facts they are. There is no spin and therefore is not innacurate, no pretending and everything I wrote not prefixed with 'IMO' was the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so was most definitely not disingenuous.

Furthermore, I did not say DF couldn't handle Russ, I said he couldn't handle the fact the other players looked to him for guidance, a completely different thing.

LDC, nothing would give me greater pleasure than seeing DF graduate to a top performing manager, not for his sake per se but for the sake of our club, however currently I have my doubts this will transpire but sincerely hope it does.
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Re: Russell Martin leaves after 9 years.

Semantics Ray. You say Farke couldn't handle the situation, I say the old player regime had no place in the new regime - it amounts to the same thing. You are spinning it as a failing in the head coach - I am spinning it as a necessary action by the head coach - practical and in keeping with what he was brought in for. The old guard had failed and have mostly gone, Martin is just part of that.
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Re: Russell Martin leaves after 9 years.

As I said LDC, I am not spinning, I know what I know, however you have every right to disbelieve me. Either way, I know we both want what's best for NCFC, however that transpires.
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Re: Russell Martin leaves after 9 years.

What Ray has said is what has happened
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Re: Russell Martin leaves after 9 years.

 Ray wrote:
Monty13, I have mentioned this elsewhere one way or another, however to summarise, our manager did not like the fact Russ was held in such high esteem by the rest of the players, to the extent they looked to him at half time and full time for motivation, tactical input, etc. This was obviously not RM’s fault, after all he can hardly be blamed for what others thought of his skills in that department and it is common knowledge that he is EUFA A qualified and is on his way to EUFA Pro.

I'd heard something along those lines from Michael Bailey (might have been Dave Freezer) on the various Pinkun chats.

Ultimately that 4-0 loss at Millwall killed a lot of careers. We had Pinto, Martin, Franke and Husband shielded by Harrison Reed on that day. Klose was injured, and Russell Martin had been playing through painkilling injections.

After that Grant Hanley was brought in as a panic buy, and Pinto, Klose, Zimmerman, Stiepermann lined up against Sheffield United protected by Tettey and Trybull.

That successful run quickly meant our three first choice centre backs were Klose, Zimmerman and Hanley. With Raggett having a strong spell with Lincoln, it was always going to be pretty much impossible for Russ to get back in.



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Re: Russell Martin leaves after 9 years.

Russ is a City legend. Anyone who doesnt think that needs their head examining imo. Sad end to his time here, dont really understand it myself.

Id be very surprised if he isnt one day our manager.

Good luck Norfolk Cafu
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Re: Russell Martin leaves after 9 years.

 Ray wrote:
As I said LDC, I am not spinning, I know what I know, however you have every right to disbelieve me. Either way, I know we both want what's best for NCFC, however that transpires.

I don't disbelieve the substance of what you say, I just disagree with the negative slant you put on our present head coach. As I said before, it was a new regime, he didn't fit into that, therefore his time here had to come to an end, at least for the foreseeable future.  No disrespect to anyone involved is needed.



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Re: Russell Martin leaves after 9 years.

All this praise for Russell Martin is completely OTT.

I will give him his due that he was a decent full-back under Lambert, but thereafter his defending got worse with every season and managers still selected him to play long after he was any good. He was clearly a favourite of Delia's and for that reason got on the teamsheet regardless of what the managers' views were. Delia's influence was such that even the Scotland manager had to put Russell Martin's name on the teamsheet before anyone else. He was never an international in a million years, but to make him an international centre-back was sheer lunacy. The boy certainly had the knack of ingratiating himself with those around him, but as the years wore on the disconnect between his profile and his performances grew so large that when he became Captain Pointyfinger this was because he was the biggest hypocrit in the dressing room. During that 5-0 defeat at Brighton he simply gave up running for one of their goals and allowed their player to waltz into the box and make the cross from which they scored. Add to that the suicidal backpass against Liverpool, the numerous times he was beaten in the box and you have one of the players who came to epitomise the soft underbelly of the club, the legacy of which we are still living with today.

Russell Martin came to symbolise everything that is wrong about the club. Softness, sentimentality, leaders who are not able to lead by example, making spin triumph over substance and living in parallel universes so that reality is never looked fully in the face.
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Re: Russell Martin leaves after 9 years.

With all those brothers I bet he's got loads of nephews too....
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Re: Russell Martin leaves after 9 years.

"Decent full back under Lambert, but thereafter his defending got worse" except that Martin was in the Championship team of the year as a centre back just three years ago and three years after Lambert left.



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Re: Russell Martin leaves after 9 years.

<BLOCKQUOTE><table width="85%"><tr><td class="txt4"><img src="/forums/pinkun-forums/cs/Themes/default/images/icon-quote.gif">&nbsp;<strong>lake district canary wrote:</strong></td></tr><tr><td class="quoteTable"><table width="100%"><tr><td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4"><div>"Decent full back under Lambert, but thereafter his defending got worse" except that Martin was in the Championship team of the year as a centre back just three years ago and three years after Lambert left. <br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>

The judges either had defective vision or were selected by Delia.
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