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Re: Farke,Farke Sort It Out,Farke Sort It Out !

The upside of the new model is that we will always have a club to support unlike the Rushdon and diamonds and scarboroughs of this world. The downside is a slow but gradual deterioration in status and expectations. Funny how things go full circle for decades prior to the 1970s we were a club that bounced between in effect league 1 and the championship, we may be heading that way again. The the level of support stays high and we manage to produce and sell good young players then championship will be more probable. The consequence of a significant drop in support and failure to generate transfer surplus is obvious. The caveat also is by chance we may occasionally hit on a managerial gem for short term success
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Re: Farke,Farke Sort It Out,Farke Sort It Out !

"Because it is working. Can you really not see that?"

Do I need to squint? Because no I can't see that.

We've gone backwards in basically every way possible under Farke. Less points, less goals, lower in the league, lower quality of players, lower attendances. We've conceded a few less but that is about it.

I'm amazed that 'we weren't outplayed' by Ipswich is seen as a positive.
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Re: Farke,Farke Sort It Out,Farke Sort It Out !

I cannot see what the fuss is about if a few boos percolate.
Ever since my first match in 1960, there have been moans, groans, boos and chants.
When the boos and moans become very loud and very persistent, then the club is in trouble. Until then, I can't see why it has become an almost hate crime to boo. It is so unimportant in the scheme of things. The lack of singing and cheering is more of a worry.

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Re: Farke,Farke Sort It Out,Farke Sort It Out !

 CDMullins wrote:
The model is in place? What model? a model that Webber got lucky with once at Huddersfield, you cant just do the same thing elsewhere and expect to replicate it so easily. Progress is being made? How so? Feck all progression, this years team is worse than last year and we are worse off at this point than we were last year. "absolutely no chance of relegation." Give me 50/1? We have a solid Championship squad? Deluded, absolutely deluded. Relying on Rhodes and Pukki for goals with Srbeny to save the day. Still leaking goals. An Alex Tettey who literally as forgotten how to kick a ball at some points this season. An ex-international goalkeeper who couldn't catch a cold. Realistically we've sold five of our best players for close to £40-50 Million. We've invested none into the team. We've got our best striker and someone could could be the best striker in the league sat not playing football. We've a worst team than last year. Our end of season form was terrible, we've started the same way. We're no better off then when Alex Neil left, the same Alex Neil who took Preston to 7th. We finished behind Ipswich, Leeds, Sheff United and Millwall. Clubs a farce. I cant engage with this team of foreigners who don't know what it means to play for this club or in this division. I'm fed and the predictability is all too tedious. How anyone can put a positive spin on the last 14 months is beyond me.
I was doing my best to take you semi-seriously until I got to the bit I've highlighted, thankfully that confirmed what I thought originally - you haven't got a clue what you're talking about.


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Re: Farke,Farke Sort It Out,Farke Sort It Out !

<BLOCKQUOTE><table width="85%"><tr><td class="txt4"><img src="/forums/pinkun-forums/cs/Themes/default/images/icon-quote.gif">&nbsp;<strong>detroit94 wrote:</strong></td></tr><tr><td class="quoteTable"><table width="100%"><tr><td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4">Not sure how much longer Farke should get. Yes he made some brave decisions today with Aaron's and Godfrey. But he, Webber and the board need to stop taking the supporters for granted we pay high prices and turn up in large numbers. We are sleepwalking into L1 if we are not careful. I have followed City since the early 70s and this is the worst situation since the mid 90s in my opinion. If results don't pick up we are in trouble. Today was good in that 3 young defenders really acquitted themselves well but we should be doing better than that with the players we have.</td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>
Have I missed something. One of Webber’s aims was to change the academy / development of young players. Your post contradicts in saying the youth players were good then blaming Webber for introducing changes that saw us with 4 probable premiership youngsters on the pitch. What is it you want from Webber ?
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Re: Farke,Farke Sort It Out,Farke Sort It Out !

' Changes that saw us with 4 probable Premiership youngsters on the pitch '.
I am sure the board will be absolutely delighted with that which means we can sell them to keep balacing the books to remain debt free and we can start the conveyor belt all over again with another rebuilt.
Marvellous !

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Re: Farke,Farke Sort It Out,Farke Sort It Out !

Farke is good with bring youngster through because he is a Development coach
Not a championship Head Coach / Manager
And lets face facts these youngsters were at the club before Webber and Farke like Maddison was good anyway
Cantwell has been the best youngster in teams since under 14's
just because they are playing now does not mean it is down to Farke and Webber !
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Re: Farke,Farke Sort It Out,Farke Sort It Out !

As usual, we all have different expectation levels - I wonder what Stuart Webber & Steve Stone's views are for an 'acceptable performance' by the NCFC first team this season?
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Re: Farke,Farke Sort It Out,Farke Sort It Out !

@Keelansgrandad

Agree. The amount of pearl clutching on here the second a few groans and grumbles emerge is a bit weird.
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Re: Farke,Farke Sort It Out,Farke Sort It Out !

<BLOCKQUOTE><table width="85%"><tr><td class="txt4"><img src="/forums/mobilepinkun/cs/Themes/default/images/icon-quote.gif">&nbsp;<strong>TIL 1010 wrote:</strong></td></tr><tr><td class="quoteTable"><table width="100%"><tr><td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4"><div><i>' Changes that saw us with 4 probable Premiership youngsters on the pitch '.</i></div><div><i>I am sure the board will be absolutely delighted with that which means we can sell them to keep balacing the books to remain debt free and we can start the conveyor belt all over again with another rebuilt.</i></div><div><i>Marvellous !<br></i></div></td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>

That IS pretty much the plan they outlined, isn’t it? Of course, promotion would change things a bit..

I’m not sure that the use of ‘debt free’ is entirely accurate either. There will certainly be times where we accrue some debt, a facility was in place to accommodate such a situation for this season. It’s more that we have to be self-sustainable and this generate our own income. To that end, it’s imperative that we blood these young players; Lewis will likely be the next to go.
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Re: Farke,Farke Sort It Out,Farke Sort It Out !

 norfolkngood wrote:
Farke is good with bring youngster through because he is a Development coach Not a championship Head Coach / Manager And lets face facts these youngsters were at the club before Webber and Farke like Maddison was good anyway Cantwell has been the best youngster in teams since under 14's just because they are playing now does not mean it is down to Farke and Webber !
Isn't that missing the point a bit - Farke has only been here just over a year so it could hardly be any other way.

Surely what is encouraging is that for many years now our Academy has been producing youngsters for which we've had high hopes but in practice vcry, very few of them have fulfilled the potential they seemed to have. Look at our FA Youth Cup team for instance, the Murphys made it but where are all the rest?

In many cases it may be that promising youngsters don't end up cutting it at professional level through no fault of the Academy/club. But I do think it is becoming harder and harder for young players to make the transition - there are very few managers in this country, especially in the Champs or Prem, who are more than six to eight games from the sack if things are not going their way. So the vast majority of managers prefer experience over potential and take only limited interest in their youngsters because their focus is almost inevitably short-term.

Farke has a plan for our youngsters to enable them to make the transition from youth to 1st team and he is brave enough to play them when he thinks they are ready even when he has experienced options available. IMO he should be applauded for that.

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Re: Farke,Farke Sort It Out,Farke Sort It Out !

Webber sees us as a feeder club.

He's motivated by negotiating big deals. Signing for pennies and making a big profit. Listen to his comments around the Maddison deal, his delight at being a big part in the negotiations was tangible.

Proportionally we are under investing in the first 11, and any ambition to build a side capable of promotion is more than questionable. There is no immediate plan or motivation for a return to the Premier League. That much is clear.

The biggest concern is this lack of ambition filtering through the club, resulting in our young stars forming the mind-set that Norwich is merely a steeping stone to bigger and better things. And when this happens, you've got no chance of building anything successful on the pitch.

I liked it under McNally and Bowkett, when we invested in the first team. When results on the pitch where high priority. And for the first time in Norwich's history, we weren't a selling club!



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Re: Farke,Farke Sort It Out,Farke Sort It Out !

 lincoln canary Golden Coppel wrote:
Webber sees us as a feeder club. He's motivated by negotiating big deals. Signing for pennies and making a big profit. Listen to his comments around the Maddison deal, his delight at being a big part in the negotiations was tangible. Proportionally we are under investing in the first 11, and any ambition to build a side capable of promotion is more than questionable. There is no immediate plan or motivation for a return to the Premier League. That much is clear. The biggest concern is this lack of ambition filtering through the club, resulting in our young stars forming the mind-set that Norwich is merely a steeping stone to bigger and better things. And when this happens, you've got no chance of building anything successful on the pitch. I liked it under McNally and Bowkett, when we invested in the first team. When results on the pitch where high priority. And for the first time in Norwich's history, we weren't a selling club!

Total gibberish. Of course Webber would be delighted with the Maddison deal - anyone who is realistic about our club would be. Why do you assume there is no ambition? Why?  Because we sold players? The Maddison and Murphy money has been put to good use,  balancing the books and putting together a good balanced squad.  And your view that we stopped being a selling club for a while, that is plain rubbish - all clubs sell players, even Man City.  Also the view in hindsight is that we should not have spent all our money on the players in the PL - it turned out to be shortsighted. I don't now where people get all this negatve stuff from, it's as if they delight in being negative.


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Re: Farke,Farke Sort It Out,Farke Sort It Out !

Nice try Lincoln but...

You, on the one hand criticise an alleged lack of ambition and then in the next breath say that this affects the mind-set of our young stars. If the height of our “young stars” ambitions is to play for Norwich City then I’d question their ambition completely. I also suspect that they wouldn’t progress very far in the game. It has always been thus. Craig Bellamy, Darren Eadie, Chris Sutton etc etc

No amount of perceived ambition would stop our best players being picked off by other clubs. At any given time there is a pecking order. That’s why we could take Dean Ashton from Crewe, James Maddison from Coventry and Nathan Tedmond from Birmingham. By the same token it’s why Leicester took Madders from us yet lost Mahrez to Man City.
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Re: Farke,Farke Sort It Out,Farke Sort It Out !

 TIL 1010 wrote:
' Changes that saw us with 4 probable Premiership youngsters on the pitch '.
I am sure the board will be absolutely delighted with that which means we can sell them to keep balacing the books to remain debt free and we can start the conveyor belt all over again with another rebuilt.
Marvellous !
Funny but I've always been under the impression that there was something wholly admirable about the highly respected Southampton FC Academy, which has succeeded precisely in building such a conveyor belt of talent, some of whom you find playing regularly in the Saints first team for a while before moving on, others of whom are snapped up by other clubs before becoming established first team players at St Mary's. Not only do the proceeds of sale fund the conveyor belt, they contribute positively to the club balance sheet. That's the model we seek to emulate and I really find it hard to grasp what's wrong with it.
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