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Re: Serena Williams

king canary said
"Should clarify- I'm not saying white people or men can't suffer discrimination, they can. But lets be honest here- we do not face anywhere near the level of systematic discrimination women or various minorities suffer. The western world is set up for white men and we benefit from that even if just on an unconscious level."

The Chinese world is set up for the benefit of Chinese people. The Japanese world is set up for the benefit of Japanese people. You'd have a tough time of it in Tokyo if you can't read or write Japanese. So of course the Western world is set up for the benefit of Western people, that is only natural, nothing to be ashamed of.

A better definition is to say that societies are set up for the majority. Now if you're a minority living in a majority-based society then the answer is clear. Assimilate. In Japan learn Japanese, in China learn Chinese and the whole society then becomes a little more bearable. It's nothing to feel guilty about.

The irony here is that Serena Williams has done very well as a minority person in part because she has a gutsy, ballsy personality that is given to the occasional outburst. She just needs to drop the victim card, because she isn't. She's a success.

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I think the cartoon is unflattering and probably doesn't help the discussion in terms of its timing but i don;t think it was intended to be racists and I'm far from convinced that it is.

Cartoonists in drawing their caricatures will always exaggerate the subject's prominent features. Its unflattering but i'm not sure its any different to some of the cartoon portrayals of Trump or Teresa May or Obama etc many of which are equally unflattering. The natural conclusion seems to be that nobody can ever do a caricature of a black person without being accused of racism.
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Re: Serena Williams

I think some of the excuses for her behaviour are merely speculation. What happens elsewhere is nothing to do with this occasion. The umpire did what he did because a spoiled brat for the want of a better expression, thought she could bully not only him but the match referee, into altering his opinion.
How many times to we hear about stronger referees in sport. And yet when we get one, he is challenged as to the motive for his decisions.

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Re: Serena Williams

That's fine KG, as long as he is consistent in his strength. When he appears to treat men and women differently it is not surprising that charges of sexism are made, especially in the context of other events in the sport recently which appeared to display different standards depending on whether it's a male or female player.
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Can't believe the fuss over this, has SW said anything publicly since? She probably feels a bit silly.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><table width="85%"><tr><td class="txt4"><img src="/forums/pinkun-forums/cs/Themes/default/images/icon-quote.gif">&nbsp;<strong>Nuff Said wrote:</strong></td></tr><tr><td class="quoteTable"><table width="100%"><tr><td width="100%" valign="top" class="txt4">That's fine KG, as long as he is consistent in his strength. When he appears to treat men and women differently it is not surprising that charges of sexism are made, especially in the context of other events in the sport recently which appeared to display different standards depending on whether it's a male or female player.</td></tr></table></td></tr></table></BLOCKQUOTE>

What such as the fact that of the 33 players who were fined or disciplined at the US Open 23 were males?


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Re: Serena Williams

I think the initial problem was the penalty for coaching.  I don't watch enough tennis to be able to tell whether other players get away with similar coaching (and if so is it something women are penalised for more than men) ?  Could you tell from the TV coverage or would you have to be there?  - the latter I'd have thought.  Also is this umpire stricter than some of the others we've heard about ?  In which case it's about inconsistency in officials, which let's face it we know all about in football.

 

Then there's her outburst and accusing him of being a thief.  It's one of those extraordinary outbursts that will be replayed for many years in the same way as McEnroe's "you cannot be serious" line is still remembered.  I'm pretty sure a man who'd had a similar ballistic outburst would have been equally penalised.

 

And I think it's ironic when people say that "middle-aged white men" aren't allowed to express an opinion on topics such as sexism.  Thereby taking a view that discriminates on the basis of sex, age and race.  Would it be ok to say that black women can't express an opinion on any given topic due to their sex/race ?  Of course not.  Because that's a sexist and racist attitude.  Which should apply equally to all sexes, races and ages.

 

The fact that white men, by and large, suffer less from discrimination in the UK currently is irrelevant.


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Re: Serena Williams

I wonder if Serena's smashed racket is repairable?.....

If not, she can always put the desirable controversial racket on eBay, and then use the proceeds from its sale to go towards a fine if she's given one?.....

Or maybe, she can just use the racket sale dosh to finance her attending anger management classes?.....
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I think she’s been fined £13k
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How much are anger management classes?....
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Re: Serena Williams

 Mello Yello wrote:
How much are anger management classes?....

For the ones she'll need well north of £13,000.....

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Re: Serena Williams

 Mello Yello wrote:
How much are anger management classes?....

For the ones she'll need well north of £13,000.....

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Re: Serena Williams

13k, I'm sure that will make a huge dent in her 16 million quid earnings from last year or whatever it was...
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